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Doesn't Make Sense
« on: November 25, 2010, 02:17:53 PM »
I feel like for the most part, we have an incredible range of coders here. The ones that i am specifically referencing are maketextgames.com, cronus, danny, and a few others that i am blanking on.

I see a huge deficiency in good games that are well maintained and used to their fullest extent. There is an excellent market for the right kind of game but it is being flooded by carbon copy games that are ruining a good name.

My purpose of writing this is not to rant but to propose a solution. I think the best coders, the elite persay, need to come to terms and start work on a mccodes together. With all of us trying to work alone on our own stuff, we have very little chance of becoming successful. Let's face it, it is a really tough market to get an edge on. The creativity of 3-4 of us would be overwhelming in this type of market.

I've written too much already, haha.

So if any of you superstar coders want to start work on a game with me, i would be more then happy to share my gameplan and ideas and we can start progress.. if not, just keep this in mind that we need to consolidate the amount of coders and start considering the best angles to make money.

Send me an email bennythenewman@gmail.com or a PM here. Thank you for your time, and have a great day.
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2010, 02:33:53 PM »
i am a little lost... are you saying that the more professional programmers need to start helping out people more or...
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2010, 02:59:47 PM »
i am a little lost... are you saying that the more professional programmers need to start helping out people more or...
I believe he is looking to partner with some of the better coders to create a "super-game".

While I'm not exactly interested in partnering, I am always willing to give suggestions and pointers if you aren't sure of certain aspects of your game. Just start up a topic and I will respond to it if it peaks my interest.

The reason coders don't join up like this is simple. For one, every game owner has a specific direction they usually try to take their game and usually partnerships end up in shambles. Also, the money made from mccode-based games is usually relatively low. If you run a game yourself, it would be worth it but once you start splitting the money between 2/3/4 coders, everyone loses interest as their gains are very minimal.
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2010, 03:11:21 PM »
It's also down to how many people ask to join into a "partnership" and have nothing to put in.
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2010, 03:18:01 PM »
It's also down to how many people ask to join into a "partnership" and have nothing to put in.
Yeah this seems to be the primary reason all of my partnerships fall apart.
Sucks having to fire a friend from a game though.
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2010, 03:36:45 PM »
you can't really fire someone from the 50/50 partnership, however i do get your point. never a nice thing to have to deal with the professional and friendship side of it.
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2010, 03:40:22 PM »
you can't really fire someone from the 50/50 partnership, however i do get your point. never a nice thing to have to deal with the professional and friendship side of it.
Well I usually tell them to sell me their 50% or I'm quitting.
And they usually realize that they can't run it on their own so they have to sell lol
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 03:52:24 PM »
Cronus is right.. thats exactly what i mean. I just think that the market is so flooded that without a respectable amount of skill, its just not possible to become one of the bigger games.

Cronus, i know what your saying about the friends thing... i had to do that with the last game i worked on... i spent weeks and weeks and in the alpha testing, i bailed because he couldnt do his part... luckily it wasn't too late and i only lost a bit of money.

I gel very easily with just about everyone... i am ultra creative and i dont mind altering my views or opinions so that the group works. I am good at marketing and all that stuff so i just want to pair with 1 or 2 really good programmers that also know what they are doing.

I am pretty competent in PHP... more so in the graphics portion of stuff, although i do know plenty to make new functions and all that... last game i had, i programmed assassination functions, mugging, robberies and that kinda stuff so i am not stupid... but i think finding someone who knows their way around the programming... (especially security) would be a valuable asset.
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2010, 09:45:45 AM »
Ive been in about 2-3 'partnerships'' all have failed, mainly dur to lack of experience, but yeh, everyone wants someting different.

I am happy you mentied me, but by far, the best coder on here would be jordan. On MWG, thats a different story though.
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Re: Doesn't Make Sense
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2010, 06:17:46 PM »
Few things,

first no one on here and in fact no one around the globe is an 'elite' coder.

While this may be an interesting idea, you have to realise that getting more than one developer into a project is a tricky task, we all have our own styles and our own ways of doing things, which tends to conflict with another developers way of doing things.

Now the idea of a super game, is okay however this market is so much easier to break into than you might think, you just need to drop the whole Gangster farced, and find yourself a under rated and under used genre that has little competition, again that is not as hard as you might think.

Next, you are expecting to use MCCodes for this super game and I am going to tell you now it's highly unlikely it will work, your a lot better off if you begin from scratch that way you can develop the core with the main goal of the game in mind.

Pick the right team, sure a few developers is good, but as you may find most developers on here and other places (no offence intended) have very little skills when it comes to front end development/designing (this is things like Photoshop) where we do have the knowledge in HTML/CSS/JS we have little knowledge on what is suitable for said design and how to tweak it.

Now a solution to this would be to hire a designer to some contract work on an one time basis, take designing the layout of your game for example, this comes with its advantages and it's disadvantages, one being you'll need to keep on rehiring a designer to do tweaks to your look.

Now a better solution would be to get a designer to join your team, now this can be tricky as after all a great designer is hard to find, not to mention a great designer willing to join a team.

Then you'll need something in terms of a content writer as your game surely needs a storyline to not only entise potential members but to keep existing ones there.

Back to developers, while it's manageable to have developers worldwide, it's a much easier task if you have the developers in the same time zone or at least a similar time zone, having for example one developer in Spain and then the other developer in Australia, how are they possibly going to manage to work together while being pretty much the opposite time zones?

Now funding, games can cost a lot of money to get started, everything from hosting and domain fees to advertising costs, and unless your game grows to an extreme amount you may only just manage to cover the hosting fees with donations.
So who is expect to cover these costs, and who is going to manage the finances of this game?

How is this game going to benefit those that spend their free/not free time developing it?

A game is a lot more work than just I have an idea lets build, it can and should take months of planning and frequent meetings with your team is this a task you're willing to take on?

These are just some of the concerns you should be thinking about before developing a game, I highly recommend researching more into the gaming industry before making your decision on whether or not you're going to go through with this idea, and whether it's even plausible to contact developers and designers who may be interested in this project.

Good luck.

Djkanna.
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